However, people on the side road may not be able to see this person if it's a blind corner. i said "no law but rules of the road. Can anyone please tell me in case I am missing something. Highway CODE Is there such thing as a bus stop in a roundabout ? Marvin. How to deal with roundabout with no markings no signs which lane should take and in this case why should I use right hand lane to take 2nd exit? This is a typical example of a collision occuring because of something a driver didnt do and something the other driver did, the cam driver didnt give up the road because of his pride/claim to that space, teh other driver was just an idiot throughout and should have simply followed the cam driver through rather then try to pass on the roundabout. The lorry (B) must have been waiting for me to move forwards in order for her to have been able to take the corner safely, so she would have been watching my vehicle constantly. Hi all, To offend the taste or moral sense of. ( full stop ) and does not offer any exceptions except those of emergency vehicles or emergency personnel directing traffic etc As for committing to entering the roundabout, sorry but it will always be the major responsibility of the person entering the roundabout to make sure it is safe to do so, even if you are unlucky enough to be sharing the road with stupid schoolboy racers. I do wish I had and reported this as it's been bothering me ever since. I was driving a bus at the time & happened to have an inspector on board who took pictures of the carnage behind me - traffic had backed up right through the traffic lights! If you are approaching at 6 o'clock and the vehicle at 9 o'clock has already entered the roundabout, it is now effectively 'in front of you' and you are behind that vehicle, just as if you were behind a vehicle on a road. NOT according to my insurer OR the police. We were still on the outer lane and just stayed in our lane to get to the 3rd exit. Not that you’d care I would assume being all high and pompous. belittling or undervaluing oneself; excessively modest. Just watched the video you posted, frame by frame, as you come off the junction it is 2 lanes on the exit, teh car clearly expected you to take the left hand lane, as such expected the right lane to become empty, you kow its 2 lanes because its got keep clear written twice - 2nd clue is the zigzag lane dividers also showing 2 lanes, now its true there is only 1 line of traffic all of you making the same mistake and not using the left hand lane, the merge point is not off the roundabout, but after the traffic lights, 2nd he was coming off the roundabout and as such from your right, so he had right of way coming off teh roundabout, and because he was coming from your right. Hello Michael Perry, 68, "the state of man, Like to a little kingdom, suffers then The nature of an insurrection." 158. Unless indicated otherwise (by road markings including lane arrows and/or signposts) the left hand approach lane should be used. ostentatious in one’s learning; overly concerned with minute details, esp. ), Cyclists and horse riders who may remain in the left hand lane and signal right if they intent to continue round the roundabout, Long vehicles (including those towing trailers) which might have to take a different course or straddle lanes because of their length, Keep an eye out for all road users’ signals. extremely objective and realistic; dispassionately analytic; unemotionally critical. Just to add - I only passed my test a couple of months ago! That advice omits the common situation where there are no lanes marked on the roundabout and is incomplete. showing, indicating, or characterized by affection or love. Use road signs to help you determine what lane you need to be and what exit you need to take. This ensures all parties approaching the roundabout are able to use it efficiently without getting in each other's way. expressing or revealing thoughtfulness, usually marked by some sadness. harsh; unnecessarily extreme; serious or stern in manner or appearance. of, pertaining to, or characterized by ceremony; formal; ritual. devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one’s own interests, benefits, welfare. Stay in in the left lane. Approach 2nd lane ( you cannot exit 1st turn, come about and treat as 5th exit), indicate right, traffic turning before you will come alongside you so don't panic, keep calm and as before when you decide you exit always check cars on left have/are actually leaving roundabout BEFORE moving to first lane, on the previous turn indicate left and move to first lane when and only when it is safe to do so, keep left indicator on until you have left roundabout, do not forget to cancel after you have left and not before. No, of coursr not, so long as you approach in the correct lane for the route you are taking and correctly signal your intentions e.g avoid a queue for the 1st exit by approaching as if to turn right and then going all the way round to gain priority becaise you are on the roundabout. https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/appendix-roundabouts. And what about the witless, the confused, the strangers who are unsure? At the next roundabout, take 3rd exit onto Fleet Road / A3013. How close to or far away from a mini roundabout does a car have to be for you to give them priority as approaching from the right. characterized by impertinence or effrontery; rude. It would have been even more impossible for me to overtake the lorry (B) while it was turning left, then to would have been even more impossible still - for me to overtake then move between the lorry (B) and the lorry (A) to end up on that position on the roundabout behind the tipper truck. I'm talking about a double lane roundabout . having or exerting great power or force; potent; efficacious. 157. sovereign, the supreme power in the state of man: cp. The other driver was for sure distracted, and that was what my passenger's statement would have proved. My driving instructor told me that I didn't need to but now I've been told but I do - confused.com. They would be liable even so I would think if it caused a crash. gloomy, depressing, or dismal; extremely serious; grave. We never changed lanes. You are right Ilya, the middle bit of the roundabout IS NOT part of the highway and may not be used to negotiate a roundabout, the charge faced is driving without due care and attention, and besides the only reason to use the middle bit is if a person carried to much speed onto the roundabout, which means they did not anticipate the obstruction correctly. The latest roundabout video in the beginning has the word " ON the roundabout " is used . The left lane to go straight ahead. being free of or relieved from tension or anxiety. ( dependant upon road markings, outer dedicated lane, inner not) If a roundabout has 4 exits, including the one you are entering on, with the other 3 to the left, straight across and right respectively, and you have 2 lanes entering into the roundabout, which lane do you use to take the second exit, i.e. But she said "if I pass around it, the car behind me could hit me because it was trying to go straight. I have a question. Can you please tell me which junction so I can look it up on google maps, the short answer is no, the center bit is not part of the highway and must never be used as if it was so that is a def conviction on its own, according to the law you drove off road, the car that blocked the road should have left the road clear for you to use but 2 wrongs do not make a right, the 2nd immediate point is that you must also never follow traffic at junctions but always " drive for yourself ", just because the car in front of you went does not mean they did so legally or safely, If the law is fair you should both get done for the same reason driving off road. uninhibitedly enthusiastic; excessively abundant. soothing in time of distress or conflict. ; pitiful; pitiable. In terms of you giving no indication then as I said it depends on the point at which he saw you enter, if he did at all ? Could you please post the name of the examiner and there place of work address and phone number, also the driving school they work for if not directly for dvla. vehemently incensed and condemnatory; very angry; ireful. ; to consider one’s words carefully: Weigh your words before you speak. J. C. ii. they also tried that tactic of saying those arrows are only advisory. quick and active; sharp and or stimulating. I would take the left hand lane to allow those who want to turn right to do so. You can clearly see from google maps it would have been impossible for me to overtake and get onto the roundabout after the lorry (B). accustomed to exercising authority; peremptory; dictatorial. Essaysanddissertationshelp.com is a legal online writing service established in the year 2000 by a group of Master and Ph.D. students who were then studying in UK. menacing; causing alarm, as by being imminent; ominous; sinister. The Highway code only states "traffic approaching from the left" and I have found that drivers on the left approach road, not on the roundabout, assume they have right of way. We came from Edinburgh and wanted to go to St. Monans. No road markings. Practice GRE Vocabulary Words Learn with flashcards, games, and more — for free. say a police service vehicle enters at speed leaving little choice but to slam on the breaks. Q: No we didn't indicate, neighter to stay on the roundabout or to take the exit. Actually it wasn't me driving, it was a friend of mine but I was in the car when it happened and I saw your website, so I just thought I could ask you for your opinion. My sisters hubbie got done by insurance and was blamed for 50% of the collision, he had gone over the line on a roundabout, anyway a car came tearing around the roundabout and drove into the side of him. Point 5 Rule 151 If you are not 1st car and all cars in front of you ( about 2-3 cars, its a judgement call ) are indicating left ( this is the more dangerous option, you MUST check your N/S mirror to make sure they have actually turned off ), then approach on lane 2, do not indicate, as soon as it is safe ( check mirrors and look over left hand/NS shoulder ) move to left hand lane, indicate left after the 1st exit and keep indicator on until you have actually left the roundabout. My photographs show that there is plenty of space for my Fiesta and an articulated lorry at this place . I only had to stop for a brief second whilst travelling straight over because a car had pulled out unexpectedly in front of the car in front of me. pupils and others have def dropped, I think mostly because people believe there driving gets better the longer you do it, it does not, people will ultimately get to be there best at some point, but, after a while it starts to drop, and when it gets below an acceptable level then pride kicks in and they refuse to accept they just are not any good at driving any more, and you know the crazy thing is that we accept as we get older failing eyesight, unable to hop over that fence any more, cant quite run to the bus stop etc, but, we still think we are brilliant drivers despite driving being the only thing in your life that you will do, that requires the use of all your senses at the same time. characterized by or expressive of good spirits or cheerfulness. depressed or discouraged by the failure of one’s hopes or expectations. If in doubt, wait! Thus the near crash and subsequent road rage. It is not really clear on the explanation above. Is it ok to drive onto a mini roundabout if the car in front has not yet cleared the roundabout? I dont want to blame the other party for everything and I understand that if it was our fault that we have to pay. I'm sorry, I hope I was comprehensible ;) There are three entry/exit roads on the roundabout. I mean when a vehicle is going around the roundabout over half circle past their second exit without or wrong signal on, then the driver offside accelerates into the roundabout then they collide with each other. to overcome the distrust or animosity of; appease. characterized by scorn; mocking; cynical; sneering. Rule 188: "All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so." Thankfully the lorry (B) was stuck stationary on the left hand turn on my left, so she would have been immediately aware of what was happening to my vehicle . Or have I misunderstood something here? The premise of driving onto & around roundabouts is as it always was & SOME drivers will adjust their driving to take advantage of anything they can - not just roundabouts but light signals, queues etc. not easy in body or mind; uncomfortable; restless; disturbed; perturbed. For example how many of you hand on heart switch off on motorways on a perfectly easy part of it ???? "Marcin 6/4/2018 02:45:09 PM Even though the other car was speeding they said he should not have crossed the line unless he could complete the manouvere, ie be parrallell to the roundabout itself. Q ; did you indicate right when you changed your mind ? Woman in Audi claims she was in the correct lane for turning right - she was, but not the right turn she wanted to take. The other driver was clearly a boy racer and prob only tried it because of your gender, on your side is the fact the other driver was behind you at the start of the manoeuvre and as such should have simply followed you off the roundabout at the very least by virtue of the fact he was behind you, it was the other drivers responsibility to make sure of your intent before crossing your path, on the bad side if you did not indicate or road markings stated that you had to leave at that junction because of your road position then that makes the other drivers case a very strong one because in that case you would have come across lanes, esp if he saw you enter the roundabout and would have based his/her assessment on your entry lane onto the roundabout. So does the car already on the roundabout have priority over the car from the right who has not as yet entered? If there is only a single lane exit at 12 o’clock then the left hand lane on approach would be the right one to take. revengeful; spiteful; bitter; unforgiving. https://youtu.be/mZC05vFrcfM. Thanks. In this scenario described above who has right of way? Yes your picture is accurate! completely puzzled or confused; perplexed. characterized by melancholy; longing; yearning; pensive. If not please correct me, but if it is then here is what I think, and some questions for you. Q ~ was the inner lane marked for exit at that junction ? Watch this... a tone of accusation; to accuse of a crime or offense. Although there are 2 lanes after the keep clear, this is to aid drivers exiting the area on the left (as the bus is doing) there isn't actually two lanes on the entry. sarcastic, having a biting or sarcastic tone. I had some idiot do this to me close to a light controlled junction, I had just turned left at the lights & within about 50 yards, had to make a left into a side road. I would say 80 % of car drivers stop and then look, you must look on the approach unless there is a stop line. boldly rude or disrespectful; contemptuously impertinent; insulting. Take a look at this and tell me who's in the wrong? Many thanks for your clarifying. So it was my view that dude in the left lane would only be going straight on (exiting in left lane) so I would be fine to also go straight on (exiting in the right lane). in an affected, exaggerated. You would need to give an example and describe what you mean by the wrong lane. Always left hand lane unless paint says not to or you are going more that 180 degrees around the roundabout. You will need to check if a car is turning right there is enough room for both of you. 3) right for right. reduce the distance between you and the vehicle ahead to maintain traffic flow I have failed in the driving test. If you are thinking about signals, then indicate left before the entry if you are taking the laft exit(s). I think it still is important to know that we never drove left into the 2nd exit and never indicated or gave any signs that we wanted to take the 2nd exit. The very best of regards, Paul P Valentine Esq. neatly or effectively concise; brief and pithy, as language. We are both entering at 6 O’clock and the 2 exits are Straight ahead (12 o’clock) and right (3 o’clock) When the speed limit went upto 50 on a single carriageway, one guy I knew through work got pulled over for doing 47, the police officer asked him why he was speeding, when the officer went back to check he said " I hate you hgv drivers " and hat to let him go on his way, another police officer swore blind to me that you have to give way to traffic on the slip road by stopping or moving over. You say that arrows in left lane say left/straight, arrows in right lane say straight/right. Sorry I meant " If the vehicle turning LEFT can clear the roundbout before the other vehicle makes 3/4 turn, then it can go first,". Dear Jeane, Guys its all relative, but if you believe its an absolute rule, then answer me this, if you are approaching, and arrows on the first lane say left and straight ahead, arrows on the second lane say straight ahead and right, then which one ??? Sorry mate you are totally wrong. I think that's a duel purpose lane then? characterized by intellectual curiosity; inquiring. There is a lot of this type of thing where a mini roundabout has been placed on a main road in order to facilitate traffic leaving, for example, a housing estate or industrial estate. We are gradually updating these posts and will remove this disclaimer when this post is updated. tending to lessen the merit or reputation of a person or thing; disparaging; depreciatory. Did you indicate ??? it is illegal to stop without cause on a trunk road/motorway but if traffic stops for whatever reason then you have to stop on the trunk road/motorway, if you have no choice because of traffic coming to halt then no it is not illegal, where do you people get your ideas from ? Yup, make up for lack of driving skills by asking those same drivers to perform manoeuvres they are likely incapable of !!! The WRGP Arc of Yu-Gi-Oh! I looked it up on Google maps myself, I think it was this roundabout: 56.144953, -3.140164. without interest or concern; not caring; apathetic. Bold is an adjective that could be used to describe the tone of someone who is courageous. adhering strictly to fact; not imaginative. The problem I have is that when I turn right from Edgeware Road towards the N.Circular East-bound I usually have to queue at the lights before I exit. It was not your description that was lacking but my understanding, ok so that makes it clearer, but just to be sure the way I understand it is ~ you was going around the roundabout on the outer lane, your original intent was to only do this for 2 exits, but, you changed your mind and decided to do this for 3 exits, the other car having come from behind decided to come across your path to exit at the 2nd exit, which was the one before your eventual intended exit. why the f..k it is my fault when he shouldn't supposed to be there? They're exiting the roundabout in the right hand lane which goes against that rule. It's driving without consideration for other road users and contrary to Section 3 of Road Traffic Act 1988. these sections are further broken down into "rules". displaying or indicative of a condescending manner or tone. It's not as simplistic as you were told! When I reached my give way line, there was nothing coming from my right (there is no right hand exit, as it was a T junction style). Where can I find the rule? Since when ? Not everyone understands the rules about that, so the answer depends on the definition that you have in mind. grave, sober, or mirthless, as a person, the face, speech, tone, or mood. of or pertaining to facts; concerning facts. affectionate; deep concern for someone or something. 1st exit, approach on left hand lane only, indicate left on the approach and throughout the turn, make sure to cancel indicator as you leave roundabout else people will think you are pulling over ( this applies on all roundabouts ). As mini roundabouts were not around then I'm taking it that the very same applies on mini roundabouts also. not likely to fall or give way, as a structure, support; steady. ; not caring; unworried; free from solicitude or anxiety. The term 'gyratory' is mainly used in America for roundabout and in the UK it does not matter how many exits there are it is still a roundabout! Anthony Paulus You are dead right. I don't understand your paragraph, if you enter the roundabout ahead of the car from your right, then you must do so without causing that car to change speed or direction. Most car drivers do not know the highway code but insist they are still good drivers, if you don't know what the road signs are telling you how can you know what danger it is trying to warn you about. provoking or deserving derision; ridiculous; laughable. 1. a. mournful, dismal, or gloomy, esp. disposed to take a favorable view of events or conditions and to expect the most favorable outcome. 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